Bhagavan with Mexico 12/19/09
The first question Bhagavan, regarding
the relationship with my parents. Why is
it that sometimes I feel that I have
healed a lot there and afterwards
situations happen where I realize there
is still a lot more to heal, as if I
were going backwards instead of forward.
What can I do, Bhagavan?
Bhagavan: Life is relationship. Itís
something which is very alive. We are
not dealing with some dead past here. So
what we must understand is, when we talk
of relationship with your parents, it
does not mean that youíve done some work
on that and that it has been healed.
Itís not like that. The teachings must
be correctly understood.
what it means is that you have become
alive to that problem. The problems are
there, but people are not aware of them,
people are not alive to them. By this
awareness we donít mean simple
knowledge. Itís like holding a snake in
your hands. Itís very intense. So that
kind of holding, that kind of awareness,
weíre talking about. When you hold
something like that, it heals. It does
not mean itís gone forever. It could
very well come back, if you lose your
level of awareness.
more youíre in your level of awareness,
healing is in place. Itís alright. But
the moment you slip from awareness, it
comes back. Itís not that thereís been a
disease and youíve been healed and
youíre free. Itís not like that. Itís a
living thing. Relationship is a living
thing. Life is a living thing. And life
is relationship. No relationship, no
life. So it is there working all the
time. Itís coming up, itís disappearing,
it will come back after some time. So it
will be bobbing up and down. Like so
many personalities are there inside you,
each personality takes turns and then
comes and stays and then goes away and
something else comes.
you give away the concept of saying ďI
am healedĒ.. No, itís not like that. You
have to be intensely aware. Even if you
are awakened, if at some point of time
you lose your awareness, it will come
back. The only thing is an awakened
person would quickly get back. The
awakening will come back, the awareness
will come back, and heíll get back to
his beautiful state. You could always
slip and fall.
Similarly here, you should not assume
that all is healed. No. Maybe the charge
is reduced a bit, thatís all. It would
come bouncing back if youíre not aware.
So you must learn to spend more of your
time in greater and greater awareness.
Maybe initially it could be for a few
minutes, then for a few hours, then for
a few days at a stretch. It goes on like
that. And then itís almost permanent.
Itís almost permanent. Itís almost
permanent, whatever be the problem is
not going to trouble you at all.
Problems would be there, but they do not
trouble you when thereís awareness. When
thereís no awareness, they trouble you.
can never say ďYes, I am now healedĒ.
Maybe temporarily you feel like that.
The charge is gone or something like
that. But then again it can come back if
thereís no awareness.
thatís the answer for the first
question. We move on to the second
Bhagavan, it is very difficult for me to
let go of my emotions, problems etc. I
feel there are things that stay back and
accumulate inside. Although, since I
took my first course in India, I have
become more conscious about my feelings
and I allow myself to feel more. I can
not experience things completely and
then I go into frustration. What can I
Bhagavan: So, we have never told you to
let go of your emotions, problems or
stop accumulating. Never at all. That is
not the teaching. All that we are
telling is, please realize, it is the
one mind, it is the ancient mind, that
is how it was for millions of years and
that is how it would be, unless and
until the human brain changes. It has
always been so.
other thing is, itís not your mind or my
mind or his mind. Itís the one human
mind. So what we expect you to realize
or understand is, that it can not
change. That itís impossible to change
whatever is there. The impossibility of
change must strike you like a ton of
bricks. Thatís what weíre talking about.
Weíre not asking you to change things at
all. Weíve been telling you thatís what
man has been doing for millennia, trying
to change. Itís like straightening a
dogís tail. That cannot be done.
somebodyís going on trying to straighten
a dogís tail, then he realizes it can
not be changed, then he gives up the
whole effort. When he gives it up, what
is there is peace, there is silence,
there is tranquility. Thatís the absence
Similarly, the problem with you is, you
hear some teaching, you hear something
about an awakened man, you want to
become like that and you want to be free
of this or you want to have something,
you want to change this, and youíre
lost. That is not what the teaching is
saying. The teaching is saying ďjust be
aware of themĒ, thatís all. It does not
matter what you see or what is going on.
only thing that we want you to realize
is, it can not be changed. You cannot
give up those things. And strangely Ė we
do not want to emphasize this because
then it again becomes a concept Ė if you
stop trying to change, what is there is
peace. What is there is the absence of
conflict. What is there is joy. But if
you try to say ďIíll be free of
conflict, Iíll have peace, Iíll have
joyĒ Ė you will never have it until
all a question of giving up. Not
deliberately, not through effort. Thatís
why we are saying ďeffortless effortĒ.
If you try giving up and then give up,
it is false. Itís just tricking you. The
mind is tricking you. It must drop like
a dry leaf. A dry leaf automatically
Similarly, all that we want you to see
is that itís impossible to change. Itís
your effort to change which is the
problem. A problem does not exist by
itself. It is your problem that you want
to change that. You want it to be
different. Youíre saying ďthat is right,
this is wrong, it should be this, it
should be thatĒ. That effort IS the
problem. Saying it is wrong, that is the
problem. Saying it is right, that is the
problem. Saying ďI will change itĒ, that
is the problem. When you say ďI must
change jealousyĒ Ė that only is
jealousy. If thereís no such effort,
thereís no jealousy also. Because
thereís no ďsomebodyĒ whoís having
jealousy. You are equal to jealousy.
What is there is jealousy only. But it
appears as though you are suffering from
jealousy. And then youíre trying to be
free of it. How can you be free of it?
Because you are only jealousy. Not that
you are suffering from jealousy. If that
were the case, we could do something
about it. But thatís not the truth.
Therefore, it is just there. Why bother
just there like the mountains are there,
the clouds are there. You canít do
anything with the mountains, nor with
the clouds. Just watch them. Just watch
them, that is all there is to life. Just
mere watching. That is what we call
awareness. That is what we call
awakening. Itís not something to
achieve. No. Just realizing thereís
nothing to do.
go into it deeper in later times. Now we
move on to the third question.
The third question, Bhagavan, you tell
us that inner integrity is fundamental
for spiritual awakening, but when we
practise it, we see that we are the same
selfish person as ever. Then, how will
this practise help us contribute to
global awakening? If despite our
processes and teachings, we find more
and more ugliness. Reality shows us that
what we love today is what we betray
tomorrow. Then how do we stop this
ugliness from affecting our conviction
to move forward? How do we make our
heart flower instead of withering away?
Bhagavan: Itís the same answer as the
last question. Please read the last two
sentences about ugliness.
repeats the following: Reality shows us
that what we love today is what we
betray tomorrow. Then how do we stop
this ugliness from affecting our
conviction to move forward? How do we
make our heart flower instead of
Bhagavan: You see, that exactly is the
problem. Youíve already condemned it as
ugliness and youíre saying it must
change. How do you go from here? These
are all the wrong questions.
that we are saying is, itís neither
ugliness nor is it beautiful. That is
the problem. The mind which is divisive
in nature, because mind is nothing but
the flow of thought and what is thought?
Thought is measurement. What do you do
with measurement? You divide. It is
dividing it as the ugly and the
beautiful. It is saying, ďThis should
not be there. That must happen.Ē, thatís
where youíre caught up. Itís exactly
what the teaching is telling. Please
understand ďthe content is never
importantĒ! Whatever be the content,
that is of no consequence. It is not
your content or his content. It is the
content of the collective consciousness.
It is just there.
that we are telling you is, please donít
try to tamper with it. What is inner
integrity? Inner integrity is just
seeing what is there. Not trying to
condemn it as good and bad, right or
wrong or giving explanations saying ďHow
should it be in 2012? What should I
change? Iím still self-centered. Iím
still ugly. Iím still strugglingĒ. Who
asked you to struggle? Who asked you to
change? Not at all.
that we are telling you is, please see
whatís going on. Itís very alive inside
you. From moment to moment, it is
changing. It is as alive as the ocean.
The waves are coming and going, up and
down, new waves, old waves go away.
Similarly, thoughts are coming, going
away, emotions are coming, theyíre going
away, personalities are emerging, going
away. The whole drama of life is taking
place inside you. Youíre nothing but the
just saying, please donít condemn it.
Donít try to change it. There is
selfishness, yes. It is not your
selfishness, itís not his selfishness.
It is selfishness. Suffering is not your
suffering or his suffering. Suffering is
suffering. Whether you have it or he has
it. We are all One. It is just there
with us for millions of years and it
will be so until the brain changes. So,
you are selfish, yes, thatís the truth.
You are rubbish pits and septic tanks.
Itís not that you are a rubbish pit or
somebodyís a septic, itís what we have
in the collective consciousness. It is
there. We have gathered this over
millions of years. Thereís nothing we
can do about it.
not asking you to become saints. Not at
all! I want you to become sages. Whoís a
sage? Who doesnít think of right and
wrong. He just responds to life, thatís
all. He could be violent one moment, he
could be peaceful another moment. He
could help you one moment, he may not
help you another moment. Heís just
responding to situations as they arise.
This is perfect action. You can not call
it good action or bad action or right or
wrong. He just responds. And he does not
go back and think ďwhether I did the
right thing or wrong thing?Ē. He keeps
responding. Heís just seeing whatís
going on. The content is not important
please, just look at your ugliness and
then soon youíll stop calling it ugly.
It could look very beautiful also. What
looks beautiful could also look ugly.
Therefore, you must take a neutral
stand. Not that you take a neutral
stand, it must become neutral. Not that
you behave like an enlightened person.
No. You have to be enlightened. Not that
you behave like an awakened person and
you put an effort. If you do that, you
will never get there. The problem with
you is, you attend a Level 1, a Level 2,
this and that, and then all of that
becomes concepts. And then you want to
get ďthereĒ, you want to achieve that
and then youíre doomed.
Thereís nothing to achieve. Nowhere to
go. Everything is perfect. See things
are perfect. And what would help you?
Inner integrity. As you go deeper and
deeper, it becomes easier and easier.
And it becomes very enjoyable because
conflict ceases. Because inner integrity
means just seeing what is there. You
donít lie to yourself. Itís OK to lie to
somebody. But the problem is youíre
often lying to yourself. Non-stop lying
is going on to yourself. Because you do
not want to see what is there because
you think itís ugly. Who said itís ugly?
Some teacher? Some scripture? Well, you
have nothing to do with it. Itís just
there. Thatís all. That is the truth.
How can you play with truth? You can not
tamper with truth. The truth is that.
Yes, you are selfish. But why do you
call it selfish, why do you name it
selfish, why do you say itís bad? Itís
just there and youíre not in control.
you go deeper, it all becomes natural,
it all becomes automatic. Thereís no
need to change. What happens then?
Please do it and see. If I tell you
something, you will again make it into a
concept. Just do it. Itís not difficult.
Start with your breath and go inside and
just see whatís going on. Donít bring in
any scripture or any teaching. Not even
my teaching. Just see what is going on,
thatís all. You are the teacher. And the
teaching is yourself. Itís there right
inside you, the teaching. That is the
real teaching. Whatís going on. Nothing
I give you a teaching and you make it a
concept, youíre not going to go
anywhere. Iím just giving you some help,
thatís all. Teachings must come from
inside, from your observation, from what
you see. Then you must speak it out.
Then youíll see it has got power.
more clarifications I think you can get
from Cristobal. He can help you out with
it, because he has had long sessions
with me, so heíll be able to explain it
shall we now move into meditation?
audio from Mexico can not be heard in
Bhagavan: Love you all so much..
Bhagavan: Oh yes, oh yes. Iíll do that.
Iíll give them a powerful deeksha, while
we go into meditation. Yes..
Bhagavan: Love you all! Namaste! Thank
you! Thank you so much!