
Skype
conference with Sri Bhagavan
17th
November 2009
Forest Row, Sussex, UK
Q. On one hand there is
global warming, economic
crisis,
industrialization etc and on other
hand there is spiritual growth
happening towards the run up to the
age of enlightenment. How
should
we prepare ourselves and what
changes are we going to see in
world?
A. The preparation/conception for
the age to enlightenment started in
1989 by many spiritual movements.
And 2012 will be the birth of the
new age which will grow in 2035.
There will be difficulties and
disorder during this phase before
2012 which in turn will bring about
a greater order. In 2012 a large
number of people will change
perceptions. The world will slowly
move into order.
It will be easier for people to
excel in their own respective
fields,
be it spiritual, economical,
political or any field for that
matter
beginning with 2012. And all the
spiritual movements are responsible
for bringing about this change.
Q. Got major experiences and
breakthroughs through the Living in
Oneness seminar and also received
deekshas in the event which has
helped in many ways. If you say that
the divine aspect has been
removed from the course, then how
did we get those experiences?
A. I have been getting reports that
all the courses in the west are
psychology based. Even the ones in
OU are related to the mind and
therefore psychological in nature.
But we have also introduced
divinity in the courses. That makes
the courses of Oneness different
than the other psychology-based
courses. The LIO would have been
much
more effective and people’s
consciousness would have risen even
further if the divine aspect was
brought into the picture. If the
divine is not incliuded it will be
like any other course in the world.
Subtle changes have been made where
slowly the divine has been cut
off, little by little. I don't say
they are doing it consciously.
Subtly people are being bound. I
want to see this with all the
people,
anything binding must go, think for
yourself be free.
I have been talking to many great
minds in the western world (which is
more advanced in the field of
psychology than
India) and they are
quite OK with the divine aspect. But
I was kept in the dark for many
years and was incorrectly informed
that the westerners don’t want it
that way. I was the one who wanted
the picture of AmmaBhagavan to be
removed
I have always maintained to give
away the knowledge to all the people
who will run the courses (LIO and L1
and L2) in their respective
cities/countries. I was told that
people will not be able to conduct
the processes properly and I say ‘we
can always train them properly
and give them the skill set’
I was being told by these (...former
senior teachers...)
that I am perceived to be more‘Hinduist’ whereas I have always
been open to all the faiths. And I
have interacted with many Muslim
moolahs, atheists,
Hindu priests,
people from
Vatican, Buddhist monks and
have been open to all of their
views. And that is why we are also
able to conduct courses out of the
Bible for Christians,
Quran for Muslims etc. I have
always maintained
that a human being should be free to
choose his own religion/faith and
that there should not be any
binding. There should not be any
successor(s) to AmmaBhagavan and
that AmmaBhagavan are not
individuals
but a phenomenon. Even AmmaBhagavan
should fade away from the scene of
Oneness and let Oneness dwell in the
hearts of people who should take
it forward. In my life, perhaps in
2014, we should see the
oneness
movement dissolved. Otherwise
I see this as a danger for it to
become
a cult and a religion. It is not
that I want to impress anyone. I
have
already got a huge following in the
south of India which is enough for
me!
Q. The most important aspect of the
Oneness movement is ‘Life is
relationship’. How should we take it
in the light of the current
situation going on in Oneness
organisation?
A. My way of understanding things is
a bit strange. I have transferred
the karma of one person into another
(which is believed to be possible
in India). Once a daughter and a
mother came to me and the mother was
asking me to transfer the cancer of
her daughter to her. I refused
initially that I cannot do it, but
after much persistence from the
mother, I did so. And after few
days, the mother died and the
daughter
was free of cancer and saved. So
this is possible.
There is an incident from the past
where in Ramana
Maharishi was
suffering from cancer and a person
asked him if it can be transferred
to him. At that point, Ramana
Maharishi says ‘do you think I am
carrying my own cancer?’
I have set right relationships for
1,000s of people. People who do
this kind of healing should make
sure that they don’t get affected.
And probably I made a mistake
somewhere there.
So it could be possible that in
healing those relationships, I took
the karma onto me and so my
relationship with my son and the
former senior teachers
(who are like my children, they have
been there since I started the
school) is being affected.
They (all the former senior teachers and guides)
came to me on 4th of November and
said that they were leaving. They
said we are leaving but they didn't
have the heart to say why. Later
they said it was very hinduish...
But
I was the one who said take away the
fire ceremony for example. I
belong to all faiths, "I am aging so
please allow my followers to
interact with me" and they said if
the people come to India it will be
seen as a cult. But if I say they
MUST come to India, then it will be
a cult...
Q. Can westerners attend the courses
in India? Can we come to meet you?
A. I was of the opinion that the
westerners should attend the course
in India if they want. I was the one
who asked to remove homas and
rituals from the courses for the
west if they are not comfortable and
if any westerner wants to attend the
ritual they can always got to
another campus where its being
performed. I also didn’t want the
different levels of courses to be
there. My childhood friend
Parmacharya keeps on telling me to
remove all the courses and interact
with people directly so as to speed
up the spiritual process in them
and bring about a shift in their
consciousness. But going forward, I
will be speaking to people
personally and giving deeksha and
that will
be equivalent to Level 3 if you
like. Just half an hour of chat with
me will be equivalent to 100
courses. And that’s what I would be
doing. I will meet all of you
personally from now on and I am
waiting
to meet you all. Somehow it was not
allowed to be so for these many
years.
And we can have as different courses
as you want like one for
Christians, Muslims or Hindu. You
can even ask for a personal course
to suit your need if you want. If
you are a Christian we can only do a
course from the Bible.
This work is all about freedom.
Q. We don't hear about meditating in
the temple by guides and thousands
of devotees any more?
A. This was the reason why the
temple was built - to make 2012
possible. Right now we are not happy
with the quality of food for
westerners so best to wait until
March 2010, but if you are OK
with it
you can come now. After that people
can openly come to the Oneness
temple whenever they want and
meditate. What else is the temple
for?
The temple is made with only that
vision and mission. I will
personally meditate with people
there. We are waiting for you, we
want
you to come and meditate there
Q. How can we relate to the former
senior teachers
now?
A. You can continue relating to them
as a friend and continue loving
and respecting them. I am only
saying that they are no longer monks
and no longer in the spiritual
order. So you will have to relate to
them using their original names. The
names ‘Samadarshini’,
‘Anandagiri’ ‘Vimalakirthi’ are the
names given by me to them when
they joined the spiritual order.
When you join a spiritual order you
take a vow and abide to that. Much
like an employee who abides by the
rules of an organization when he is
working there.
Samadarshini is Jyotir Mahi,
Anandagiri is Giribabu