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Skype conference with Sri Bhagavan

17th November 2009

Forest Row, Sussex, UK

Q. On one hand there is global warming, economic crisis,
industrialization etc and on other hand there is spiritual growth
happening towards the run up to the age of enlightenment. How should
we prepare ourselves and what changes are we going to see in world?

A. The preparation/conception for the age to enlightenment started in
1989 by many spiritual movements. And 2012 will be the birth of the
new age which will grow in 2035. There will be difficulties and
disorder during this phase before 2012 which in turn will bring about
a greater order. In 2012 a large number of people will change
perceptions. The world will slowly move into order.
It will be easier for people to excel in their own respective fields,
be it spiritual, economical, political or any field for that matter
beginning with 2012. And all the spiritual movements are responsible
for bringing about this change.

Q. Got major experiences and breakthroughs through the Living in
Oneness seminar and also received deekshas in the event which has
helped in many ways. If you say that the divine aspect has been
removed from the course, then how did we get those experiences?

A. I have been getting reports that all the courses in the west are
psychology based. Even the ones in OU are related to the mind and
therefore psychological in nature. But we have also introduced
divinity in the courses. That makes the courses of Oneness different
than the other psychology-based courses. The LIO would have been much
more effective and people’s consciousness would have risen even
further if the divine aspect was brought into the picture. If the
divine is not incliuded it will be like any other course in the world.

Subtle changes have been made where slowly the divine has been cut
off, little by little. I don't say they are doing it consciously.
Subtly people are being bound. I want to see this with all the people,
anything binding must go, think for yourself be free.

I have been talking to many great minds in the western world (which is
more advanced in the field of psychology than India) and they are
quite OK with the divine aspect. But I was kept in the dark for many
years and was incorrectly informed that the westerners don’t want it
that way. I was the one who wanted the picture of AmmaBhagavan to be

I have always maintained to give away the knowledge to all the people
who will run the courses (LIO and L1 and L2) in their respective
cities/countries. I was told that people will not be able to conduct
the processes properly and I say ‘we can always train them properly
and give them the skill set’

I was being told by these (...former senior teachers...) that I am perceived to be more‘Hinduist’ whereas I have always been open to all the faiths. And I have interacted with many Muslim moolahs, atheists, Hindu priests,
people from Vatican, Buddhist monks and have been open to all of their
views. And that is why we are also able to conduct courses out of the
Bible for Christians, Quran for Muslims etc. I have always maintained
that a human being should be free to choose his own religion/faith and
that there should not be any binding. There should not be any
successor(s) to AmmaBhagavan and that AmmaBhagavan are not individuals but a phenomenon. Even AmmaBhagavan should fade away from the scene of Oneness and let Oneness dwell in the hearts of people who should take it forward. In my life, perhaps in 2014, we should see the oneness movement dissolved. Otherwise I see this as a danger for it to become a cult and a religion. It is not that I want to impress anyone. I have
already got a huge following in the south of India which is enough for

Q. The most important aspect of the Oneness movement is ‘Life is
relationship’. How should we take it in the light of the current
situation going on in Oneness organisation?

A. My way of understanding things is a bit strange. I have transferred
the karma of one person into another (which is believed to be possible
in India). Once a daughter and a mother came to me and the mother was
asking me to transfer the cancer of her daughter to her. I refused
initially that I cannot do it, but after much persistence from the
mother, I did so. And after few days, the mother died and the daughter
was free of cancer and saved. So this is possible.

There is an incident from the past where in Ramana Maharishi was
suffering from cancer and a person asked him if it can be transferred
to him. At that point, Ramana Maharishi says ‘do you think I am
carrying my own cancer?’

I have set right relationships for 1,000s of people. People who do
this kind of healing should make sure that they don’t get affected.
And probably I made a mistake somewhere there.

So it could be possible that in healing those relationships, I took
the karma onto me and so my relationship with my son and the former senior teachers
(who are like my children, they have been there since I started the
school) is being affected.
They (all the former senior teachers and guides) came to me on 4th of November and
said that they were leaving. They said we are leaving but they didn't
have the heart to say why. Later they said it was very hinduish... But
I was the one who said take away the fire ceremony for example. I
belong to all faiths, "I am aging so please allow my followers to
interact with me" and they said if the people come to India it will be
seen as a cult. But if I say they MUST come to India, then it will be
a cult...

Q. Can westerners attend the courses in India? Can we come to meet you?

A. I was of the opinion that the westerners should attend the course
in India if they want. I was the one who asked to remove homas and
rituals from the courses for the west if they are not comfortable and
if any westerner wants to attend the ritual they can always got to
another campus where its being performed. I also didn’t want the
different levels of courses to be there. My childhood friend
Parmacharya keeps on telling me to remove all the courses and interact
with people directly so as to speed up the spiritual process in them
and bring about a shift in their consciousness. But going forward, I
will be speaking to people personally and giving deeksha and that will
be equivalent to Level 3 if you like. Just half an hour of chat with
me will be equivalent to 100 courses. And that’s what I would be
doing. I will meet all of you personally from now on and I am waiting
to meet you all. Somehow it was not allowed to be so for these many

And we can have as different courses as you want like one for
Christians, Muslims or Hindu. You can even ask for a personal course
to suit your need if you want. If you are a Christian we can only do a
course from the Bible.

This work is all about freedom.

Q. We don't hear about meditating in the temple by guides and thousands
of devotees any more?

A. This was the reason why the temple was built - to make 2012
possible. Right now we are not happy with the quality of food for
westerners so best to wait until March 2010, but if you are OK with it
you can come now. After that people can openly come to the Oneness
temple whenever they want and meditate. What else is the temple for?
The temple is made with only that vision and mission. I will
personally meditate with people there. We are waiting for you, we want
you to come and meditate there

Q. How can we relate to the former senior teachers now?

A. You can continue relating to them as a friend and continue loving
and respecting them. I am only saying that they are no longer monks
and no longer in the spiritual order. So you will have to relate to
them using their original names. The names ‘Samadarshini’,
‘Anandagiri’ ‘Vimalakirthi’ are the names given by me to them when
they joined the spiritual order. When you join a spiritual order you
take a vow and abide to that. Much like an employee who abides by the
rules of an organization when he is working there.

Samadarshini is Jyotir Mahi, Anandagiri is Giribabu