Teleconference of Sri Bhagavan with
Russia Oneness Community, Moscow, 17 Nov
Bhagavan: Will you start the questions?
German: I will. Thank
you very much that you are here with us
and that you can tell us about some
questions we have. First question is,
for several years we haven’t heard about
your mission and we would like to hear
about your mission and 2012.
Bhagavan: Basically my mission is to set
Man totally and unconditionally free. I
have founded this Oneness Movement in
order that I bring about oneness within
the individual. If you take an
individual, there are so many people
inside him, you are the father of so and
so, son of so and so, employee of so and
so. There are so many people inside you
and they’re all the time talking. When
that is happening, there’s no oneness.
If the dialogue is shut down, there’s
oneness in the individual. If oneness is
achieved by an individual in a family,
soon the whole family will achieve
oneness. And if on a street one family
achieves oneness, soon many families
will achieve oneness. If one street
achieves oneness, many streets will
achieve oneness. So it automatically
What I want is that this oneness must
spread across the globe as quickly as
possible. In 1989 we believe that the
new age which is going to come was
concieved. It was in that year, this
phenomenom called AmmaBhagavan, it broke
out. Along with this, many, many
phenomena broke out all over the world.
I have met people who have undergone a
transformation in the year 1989.
And as you all know it was a very
significant year when the Berlin wall
collapsed and all that happened in the
Soviet Union and all over the world. So
1989 was a significant year when this
new age was concieved. I believe that
this child which was concieved in 1989,
that is the new age, shall be delivered
in the year 2012, when energies around
the world will change. When these
energies change, people can make use of
Like if you have electricity, you can
light up a bulb, run a motor or run your
TV. You can do whatever you want if you
have electricity. Similarly, the
energies in 2012, could be made used of
by politicians to restructure their
countries, by scientists to come up with
breakthroughs, for environmentalists to
change environment, for educationalists
to change the educational system and by
healthcare workers to change the way we
look at health.
Similarly, spiritual people, not just
we, anybody doing spiritual work in the
world, can make use of these energies to
affect a change in people’s perception.
What is going to happen in 2012 is a
change of perception, where people will
no longer feel separate from the other,
but they will feel close to one another
and feel connected to one another.
In 2035, this child which is born in
2012 would have become a young boy, that
is the energies would have taken a
further leap. Similarly, in 2050 it goes
on like that. It takes major leaps and
completely transforming man.
Our role is that to get 64 000 people to
be in a good state, because then, making
use of these energies, they can help
humanity. To bring about these changes,
I founded the Oneness Movement and we
had the acharyas, the dasas and a lot of
structure here, to bring about these
changes. But I have been very clear that
step by step gradually we must phase out
the dasas, the acharyas and there will
be no successor to me. Ultimately, we
have to phase out AmmaBhagavan. I do not
want anything to be left behind. I only
want oneness to survive as principles in
people’s hearts and people connecting
with Divinity in whatever form they
So I want to move progessively towards
the dissolution of Oneness.
What I want is- if I leave it like this,
it will become a cult, it may even
become a religion- so during my lifetime
I want to dissolve the structure. That
is, I do not want to have dasas, I do
not want to have acharyas and I do not
want to have any successors to me and
ultimately I would like even AmmaBhagavan to fade away from the
All I want is that these principles must
live in the hearts of people. They must
do these programs on their own. Not that
we are like a body controlling them,
guiding them. I believe in the
individual. The individual is very
important for me. The individuals all
over the world who want to do it, should
do it. There should be no controlling
body over them. So that body itself must
be dissolved progressively, today it
might be required, but I believe that by
2014 or so we must dissolve it. Then
there’s no danger of it becoming a cult
which will control people.
German: Bhagavan, can
you tell us what happened with the
former senior guides, the few guides and Krishna? We
know that our guide Murali left also, but
he talked to many people and says that
he never left the movement and that he’s
going to come to Russia again and
continue the old programs, Living in
Oneness, and other programs, and that
nothing happened. Can you tell us about
Bhagavan: I have already given my email,
however I will tell once again. On
November 4th, the three
acharyas came to me and said “we are
leaving the order”. They gave me no
reason, no explanation. Now, Murali Ji
has not met me at all. He is with them,
which means he has left the order,
because he comes under the control of acharya Samadarshini and she came and
told me “I’m leaving the order” without
giving me any explanation. Murali has
never even come to see me. Therefore, as
far as I’m concerned, he is not a monk.
He is not a guide in the order.
Therefore, he does not represent me.
If he’s coming there, he’s coming on his
own, but he does not represent me. That
is the position. As far as I’m
concerned, my contact point for Russia
is German. And the contact for you in
India is Narseema Kumar. Whatever you
want, you can talk to Narseema Kumar.
Whatever we want to pass on to you,
we’ll pass it on to German, because we
have known German from the beginning. So
we’ll pass it on to him and of course
you can communicate to him or if you
want something you can communicate to
Narseema Kumar. So Narseema Kumar is the
contact point here, German is the
contact point there. As far as Murali is
concerned, he is not in touch with us.
German: How could
this happen with the former senior guides? We were
thinking that they are in a very deep
state and your closest disciples. How
could it happen? Can you explain?
Bhagavan: See, one is, the enlightened
state is different from becoming
enlightened. Enlightenment is a
permanent state, it does not reverse.
Enlightened state is something as the
kundalini comes up, it comes, as it goes
down, it goes down. They were in a very,
very high enlightened state, a lot of
people are in high enlightened states,
but that is not enlightenment, it can
come, it can go. So that’s what it is.
How this could happen, my own feeling
is, you must have heard of a person
called Ramana Maharishi. He was having
cancer and once one gentleman came and
asked him “would you be able to transfer
the cancer to me?” In India we transfer
these things. And he said, “Whose cancer
is it? It’s only your cancer I’m
I, myself, have transferred cancer from
one person to another person. Some years
ago a mother and daughter came to me and
the mother told me “Please, transfer my
daughter’s cancer to me!” I said “No, I
won’t do it.” She insisted, then of
course, I did the transfer. It takes
only 3-5 minutes to transfer. A week
later the lady died and the girl
Now, I have a feeling, I deal a lot with
human relationships. I go on setting
right human relationships. Sometimes
when the teaching does not work, I use
an excessive dose of blessing to set it
right. Whenever we are handling these
problems, we have what is called
negative karma it will come from the
other person. We have to pick it up and
throw it out to the cosmos otherwise it
will affect the person concerned.
Maybe, because in India I do a lot of
this relationship setting, I could have
made some mistake, I do not know.
Otherwise I don’t see why suddenly all
these relationships have become like
this. That is at least my understanding.
But the practical reasons are my ideas
of dissolving things and they did not
like it. That is at the practical level.
But why should they object to it, I
really do not know. I have a feeling it
could be this karmic thing because it
happened all of a sudden. So that’s my
understanding of it.
German: What about
Amma? How does she see the situation?
Where is she?
Bhagavan: Amma is in Nemam and she feels
very sad about the developments. She is
still having pain at what has happened.
German: What about
prophecies and how people can develop
their state? What is your vision about
what we can do now and how we can help
in this situation?
Bhagavan: As far as you’re concerned,
you have the freedom to either go to
Italy or to come to India for the
courses. That’s the first thing. Because
I understand that many of you would like
to come to India, that you prefer India
to Italy, so there’s nothing to prevent
you from coming to India. You can come
here. You can have Level 1 and Level 2
here and I feel that the prices will be
much lower than Italy. So our whole idea
is to reduce the prices to make it
available to as many people as possible.
So India is open to you that’s the first
The other thing is, in the course of
2010, we would like to train up the
trainers more whereby that in the coming
year they should be able to do the
courses themselves, in their own
countries. That is the idea.
The third thing is, if you come to
India, you could interact with me.
Interacting with me is Level 3. So I
have been telling that I must be
interacting with people. I’m getting
older. The people are getting older.
2012 is coming. So there should be more
interaction with me. If there is
interaction with me, they’ll rapidly
grow. So you’re welcome to come to India
and to stay here and interact with me.
That’s the third thing.
As to what you would like to do in
Russia itself with regards to either
Samadarshini or Murali that is
completely at your discretion. Because
as I told you, my whole thing is
complete freedom. So that freedom is
given to you. You have to decide what
you want to do. As far as I’m concerned,
my contact person is German. He
represents me in Russia. That is my
stand. And for you the contact person is
But how you would respond to Murali or
an acharya, that’s what you have got to
decide. Because my whole theme is to set
man totally and unconditionally free. So
I don’t want to tell you “do this, do
that” I have told you my position. My
position is to dissolve oneness
gradually. No acharyas, no dasas and no
successors. I’m very clear about it. And
I give you the freedom to come to India
for the courses. I give you the freedom
to come to India and to relate to me.
Regarding what Murali says or acharya
says, what you want to do is completely
your free will. My only understanding is
that courses like LIO or whatever
courses, it must slowly be done by you
people in your country. Indians coming
from India there for a short time is OK,
but if they’re going to come for a long
time, then the local people will not
Unless it is kept to the local people,
how can there be growth in the movement?
It can not grow. And it will slowly
become cultish also. I do not mind them
going for a year or so or for six
months, but not go on doing courses
there, whereby the local people will not
grow. What decision must be taken, you
must all decide together. I can’t decide
things for you. I’m only your friend.
That is my approach. I will tell you,
this is the situation. What you feel
good, you decide.
Did I tell you that when you come to
India I will be interacting with you if
you want? You must also know that the
Indians love Russians most.
German: People ask
when they can come and when there will
be a Level 3. I think I will probably
come next week and we will discuss
details and then inform people how to do
it and when they can come.
Bhagavan: Yes, we will discuss when you
come and finalize things.
German: People want
to come to celebrate NewYyear.
Bhagavan: They’re welcome.
German: A question
about the name. Are we going to use the
same name “Oneness” or will this name be
used by the university in Italy? Who
will use the brand “Oneness”?
Bhagavan: This movement is called
“oneness”. The organisation is called
“Oneness University” in India. It will
be called Oneness University and the
movement is called “oneness”.
German: Thank you
very much for this possiblity to hear
from you. The last question is how we
can help you in this sitiuation, what we
can do personally or maybe with other
people, what can you suggest to us?
Bhagavan: I would welcome you to come to
India to interact with me, grow faster,
so that back home you can help people a
lot more. That’s what I want.
Last question, can we
do these video conferences regularly,
maybe once a month?
Yes, we can very well have it once a
month. This is also part of Level 3 and
next time hopefully we’ll go into more
fundamental and spiritual questions.
We’ll meet once in a month.
Thank you Bhagavan!