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Broadcast with Sri
Bhagavan to Dubai 12-11-09
Video:
http://picasaweb.google.com/prakritham/BhagavanSkypeDarshanDec112009Dubai#5414279993251651938
*The skype call begins with the Dubai
audience doing aarthi, singing the moola
mantra and bhajans while Bhagavan is
sitting with eyes closed.*
Dubai audience: Pranams Bhagavan!
Bhagavan blesses them: Love you all!
Dubai audience shouts: Looooove you!! We
love you so much Bhagavan!
Bhagavan: Love you too. Shall we start
with the questions?
Dubai audience: Yes, Bhagavan. We'll ask
the spiritual questions first Bhagavan.
Bhagavan: OK.
Q1: Bhagavan, we want to know, between
now and december 2012, to help the
oneness movement and the mission, what
do we need to do as individuals, as
families, as seva and as a community?
Bhagavan: As individuals, you must
become deeksha givers, because 2012 is
all about giving deekshas. We would be
forming groups of devotees, like the
group now in this hall, and what you
would have to do is, in the year 2012
starting in January, we will teach you a
special technique whereby you'll be
giving deekshas to each other.
Now this could be 4 times in the month
of January, maybe 5 or 6 times in
February, until December 2012. In the
month of December 2012, it has to be
everyday. So we want committed groups of
people who will be able to come and
spend some time everyday in the month of
December 2012. That's when the
transition is going to take place. And
as you give these blessings to each
other, the deekshas to each other, I
will also be joining you in the Skype. I
will be meditating along with you and I
will also be giving you deeksha
collectively.
The result would be, you would be moving
into very high states of consciousness
and as that happens, we will be
influencing the world. For example, as
you go into those high states, if you
have a map of UAE (United Arab Emirates)
in front of you and ultimately when you
give the deeksha to the map, strangely
the people of UAE will receive a very
powerful blessing and their level of
consciousness will be altered. *loud
applause from Dubai*
All this is possible the month of
December 2012, for the simple reason,
the three great cycles are coinciding.
We have a 5000 year old cycle which
started at the end of the Mahabharata
war. That cycle would be closing in the
year 2012. We also have a 26,400 year
cycle which begins with yugas. All the
yugas happened in that timeframe. That
cycle also is closing in the year 2012.
And then we have a 650,000 year cycle,
the most massive cycle, that also is
closing in the year 2012. So it's a very
rare phenomenon that these three cycles
are closing in the year 2012.
Not only that, 2012, according to
revelations and according to certain
other calculations, very ancient, is the
midpoint of the Universe. This Universe
began from a small, infinite, resemblant
thought. That was the beginning of this
Universe, much smaller than even an
individual electron. So small was the
Universe in the beginning and that has
now grown to this stage. The Universe is
now middleaged and it's lifetime now is
another 13.7 billion years as the cycle
closes. That is supposed to be one day
for Brahma and thousand days for Brahma
is equal to one day for Vishnu and
thousands days of Vishnu is equal to one
day of Shiva and thousands days of Shiva
is equal to one day of Shakthi.
Now we are going to enter the midpoint
of Brahma's day. Now what is understood
by this is, the Universe which was a
single, little, infinitely small thought
has grown up to this size. The One has
become the many. Not that it has become
the many, it appears as the many, and
this beautiful creation has moved to
this point. It's like building a home
and then you do a grahapravesham and you
enter the home. So this is like
grahapravesham for the whole of humanity
in the year 2012 and then we are going
to enter a totally new age. So all this
work is about entering this new age.
Now when this new age comes, what
happens is, there's a change in pranic
energies, which is what is responsible
for a change in human consciousness,
which is responsible for change in human
perception, which is responsible for the
way humans experience reality. Reality
would remain the same, but the way we
experience reality would be vastly
different. When you experience it
differently, you will discover Heaven on
Earth. That is what is going to happen.
But then, you wait for the rains, when
the rains do come, you can not keep
quiet, you have to plow the soil to sow
the seeds, do all things. So this is
like the rains coming in. The new age
coming and the energies coming. But
then, we have to work for it. Without
working, you're not going to get
anywhere. And what is the work? We must
raise our levels to higher states of
consciousness and it is possible because
of these energy changes. And how do we
do it? We must become powerful blessing
givers. That's the way to do it.
Now, how to produce blessing givers?
It's not possible for everybody to come
to a level 1 or level 2 to India or
anywhere and become blessing givers.
Therefore, we intend to produce trainers
in every country of the world. They are
already in other countries and they have
started functioning with extraordinarily
good results flowing in from December 3rd.
Tremendous things are happening now in
many, many places. It has started
already.
Now, for example, in Dubai we would like
to have trainers. And who would be those
trainers? Those who are now conducting
satsangs, they would become the
trainers. We would be training them, in
order that they go back and conduct
courses in UAE itself. For example, we
would first start with what is called
Oneness Experience Level 1, that would
be the course you conduct. That would be
followed by Oneness Experience Level 2,
which would be equal to the Level 1
which you are now conducting. And that
will be followed by Oneness Experience
Level 3, which is the current Level 2.
So all these things would be conducted
in UAE itself by the trainers there,
whom will be selected from the people
who are conducting satsang centers. So
then, you will yourself initiate people
into becoming blessing givers, so we can
have thousands of people who are
blessing givers. We need a lot of people
to become blessing givers because time
is running out. For various reasons, we
have lost very, very valuable time and
we have to now run faster now to be on
time. All this is possible only if it is
decentralized and decontrolled. This
phenomenon has to be highly
decentralized.
When it began in 1989 as a small little
baby, it had complete flexibility and
zero control. As control increased and
flexibility declined, the power got
reduced. So we are now moving very, very
fast to decontrol and increase
flexibility so that the phenomenon would
come to full power.
People who came in 1989, when it was at
full power, some of them became saints,
some of them became sages, just by
visiting the campus. That was the power
at that time. Now we have to get it back
to that power in the year 2012. So all
effort would be in that direction.
So, that is what you have got to do. You
have to become blessing givers, at the
individual level. And what're the other
levels you asked me? Please, repeat the
question.
Dubai: What do we need to do as
families, sevas and as a community,
Bhagavan?
Bhagavan: Yes, as a family you have to,
in order to grow rapidly, you must use
family relationships to grow fast. How
do you use it? I have often said life is
relationships. Now what exactly is
relationship? Relationship is a mirror
in which you could see yourself. Let us
say your wife is nagging you and you're
losing your temper or you are beginning
to use certain kinds of words and
beginning to accuse her, then you should
watch yourself. In that mirror of
relationship, you will see who you are.
You can never know who the other is, you
could only know who you are. When you
shout, you would know who you are. When
you accuse her, you will know who you
are. When you try to find some fault,
you will know who you are.
Now, using that, seeing yourself,
because the whole thing is about seeing
who you are, and then when you see
yourself as you are, you would begin to
accept yourself, you would love
yourself. When that happens you would
love your wife, to start by seeing
exactly what she is and right now you're
not seeing her actually. You think you
know her, you do not know. You would
begin to know her, you would begin to
accept her, you would love her. When the
relationship is OK, it means you are
growing rapidly on the spiritual path.
And the same thing happens with your
children and whomsoever you meet. And
the whole family, as relationship
improves, suppose there are a hundred
families in a particular area, the
single family would be able to influence
the whole lot. That is the contribution
of the family.
Then you're asking about the community.
Now, for example, all those who are in
this hall, you must become like a
community, must become a oneness
community. Because, we are going to move
you into very high states of
consciousness. Now who could move there?
People who have no desires, people who
have no problems, people who are
sannyasas, only they could move there.
But then still I am promising you
enlightenment. How is it? Nowhere in
human history has this been made
possible. It's all individual seeking.
But here are a group of people and you
are all grihasthas (sanskrit term for
"housholder"), you are full of desires
and problems. So how do we go, when you
are not sannyasas? *some laughter from
audience and someone says "You will do"*
The reason is 2012. We have the energies
where people who are grihastha with
problems, with desires, would still make
it. Not only that. This time it has to
be group effort. It's not going to be an
individual working on himself, by
himself, NO! You have to work as a
group. That is why these satsangs are so
important and you must form these
oneness communities, which will also
help you to deal with the problems that
will be emerging before 2012. So as a
group we will be working to move into
higher states. So you must build up
communities, various satsangs and
various communities. Otherwise, it's not
possible. That is for the community.
And the other was..? The last part of
the question?
Dubai: As seva, Bhagavan?
Bhagavan: Seva? Yeah, seva is this only.
Having satsang centers, coming to the
satsang centers, working together,
discussing together, I will give you a
teaching, you have to discuss. In India
for example after a *inaudible* program,
people gathered in a satsang in the
evening and they discussed the teaching.
They did it, they go into themselves. So
a lot of work has to be done on
yourselves, that is the seva I want from
you. That's the most important thing for
me, working on yourselves, forming
groups, getting ready for 2012. That is
the seva.
What else is there?
Q2: The next question Bhagavan, you
partially answered it. What are the
plans and time scales for the next set
of processes for us here in the Middle
East, Bhagavan?
Bhagavan: See, we will not be coming to
the Middle East, we will not be
conducting anything there. All guides who
are there will only be in the temple.
Our work is to meditate in the temple,
to conduct courses for people who come
here, Level 1 and Level 2 until such
time that the trainers are ready, and
then training the trainers and
meditating in the temple. This is a
very, very special temple.
You must understand that once upon a
time there was a planetary civilisation
which built the pyramids in Egypt, in
Mexico, in South America, in China and
many parts of the world. Now, the
Egyptian pyramids, if you were to fly in
an aeroplane and you were to observe
them, you would find that it's a three
dimensional Sri Chakra. That's what the
Egyptian pyramids are. These were built
in very ancient times - not what this
science is talking about, much more
ancient than that, they would soon be
discovering that - to affect planetary
energies. Structures can affect
planetary energies. For example, if the
swastika on Hitler's shoulder, had it
been straight, Hitler would have won the
war. Fortunately for all of us, it was a
little slanted. That was how he lost the
war. Structures and forms affect
planetary energies.
So that was why the pyramids were built,
that was why Stonehenge was built.
Similarly, this temple is a three
dimensional projection of a Surya Yantra
and contains the Sri Chakra in the
second floor, it is strategically
equally located under the central dome.
So it generates tremendous power,
probably much more power than the
pyramids, to affect planetary energies,
which are now changing. And we are here
to meditate in that center. We have been
trained for that. The guides have been
trained for that. And as we meditate,
those energies, let us say if we project
the whole thing on Skype, it will
directly hit you. Suppose I'm going to
be in the temple with the guides, and
meditating and transferring it to you,
you would know what power could be
unleashed.
That was the purpose for which the
temple was built. That was why we wanted
all guides back in India. Unless they are
there, they've been trained for that,
that's our job. Not going out and
conducting programs. That has to come to
an end and it has come to an end.
So there will be no processes, no
programs whatsoever in UAE or any part
of the world. If anybody comes and says
"I'm from Oneness", he is not from
Oneness. We have nothing to do with him,
he has nothing to do with us. So be
very, very clear about it.
If you want the process, come to India.
For some time we'll continue with Level
1 and Level 2, but our function will be
to train you people in conducting your
own programs. That's what this whole
thing is about. That is where you've got
to help me. Become trainers, do this
work.
You are my heirs. I do not have a heir
or heirs, nobody succeeds AmmaBhagavan.
We are a phenomenon. How do you succeed
a phenomenon? Can you succeed a
phenomenon? Not possible. You can
succeed to some property, maybe some
company, but you cannot succeed to a
phenomenon. How can there be successors?
Sri *inaudible name* was a phenomenon.
Can he have successors? Ramana Maharishi
was a phenomenon. Can he have
successors? How does one have successors
for a phenomenon? Not possible. The
phenomenon goes and then it's dissolved,
that's all. Phenomenon itself will
continue, but those who are responsible
for it have to go, that's all. They have
to fade away. And, of course, people
must continue with the phenomenon and
who would that be? That would be the
people of the world, the devotees. The
phenomenon does not choose people, it's
for everybody, whoever wants it, whoever
is capable of doing it, he takes up and
he does the work.
Already in India, people are getting
ready. Already people have built many
temples and they have their temples,
they are becoming gurus. It has started
already. There are temples where 2000
people will come a day. The devotees
have done it. In some parts of India,
there are over 500 temples, beautiful
temples, even amongst regular temples.
It has started already.
So our date is maximum 2014. You, who
are now doing satsangs and who are
interested, you must grow more and when
you probably retire, you must build your
own temple, you should be the guru
there, you should be the pundit, you
should be the purohit (term for someone
similar to a priest). All knowledge will
be transferred to you, all power will be
transferred to you, all esoteric
teachings will be transferred to you and
then you continue with the work. That is
the seva you have to do me. You have to
continue this work. The deeksha must
continue for humanity. The power must be
there. Miracles must go on. Man and God
must come together and they must harness
Divine energies for whatever they want.
So this is a job that you must do. Not a
group of people, that is only a short
term commission, that's all. They're
growing older, they came as young
children. The time comes, they'll get
married. We had 220 people at one point
of time, now we are less than hundred
now. What happened? They got married,
they got settled down in life, many of
them got married and we'll be losing
some more people in 2010. They're
welcome to do it, I'll be settling them
down in life.
And 2014 when we finally bring down the
shutters, those who remain, they will be
all beautifully settled in life. They
will be given property, they will be
given money for a decent life throughout
their life and decide they'll be
married. They've done their work and of
course you commit to all of them because
this helped the movement.
So you have to take over. That is the
seva I want from you. *Loud applause*
The third question?
Dubai: Bhagavan, you already answered
the third question.
Bhagavan: Oh.
Dubai: We will move into the questions
we had for clarity Bhagavan.
Bhagavan: OK.
Q3: Some of us want to know if the ex
guides, if they ever come back, will
they ever come back? What is your
opinion? And how do we treat them if
they do?
Bhagavan: First of all you've got to
understand, I have no ill will towards
them, I have no anger towards them, I
have nothing against them. I personally
feel it is my fault. For the simple
reason, the three acharyas, they came in
quite young and I was their school
teacher, the one who was directing the
school. I was tough and firm and they
were very, very obedient people, very,
very good students. All the time bowing
down to us, sitting at our feet and
learning.
And then by the time they finished grade
ten, I had become Bhagavan. And again,
they were at Bhagavan's feet, doing
seva, non-stop for almost 22 years. They
missed out on a developmental phase,
which happens to every human being, when
they break away from their parents, when
they discover their own identity.
Normally, what I should have done was, I
should have given them a break. 3, 4
years I must have made them into a
*Bhagavan says some sanskrit word which
probably means some kind of worldly
person* going around and enjoy the world
and come back. That's how it's normally
done. But I do not know, somehow I made
a mistake. I missed out the *same
sanskrit word again* part. So they were
never allowed to come into their own,
because I thought everything was fine.
That was the mistake I made.
But they must break away. They must
discover their own identity. It happens
with your son, it happens with everybody
else. The most crucial phase, I missed
out. When that happens, generally by 34
or 35, it comes back with a bang! This
is a biological phenomenon, it's a
psychological phenomenon. It had to come
and it came. So how can I blame them?
My pain and my anger is about my work,
because I'm losing rapidly time. Because
whatever has happened has disturbed the
faith of people. It is very, very
difficult to build up faith in people.
People have removed sri murtis. People
have done many, many things. They're
losing faith. Now if that happens, how
do I continue with 2012? That is the
damage that I'm worried about, I'm angry
about. Something else would have
happened, I have no problem, because
over a 120 people have left and they've
all settled in life, they've taken up
jobs.
There was an acharya.. this is not the
first time an acharya has left. Three
acharyas have left earlier. This isn't
the first time at all. But this time,
strangely, noises are being made. And
one acharya for example, very young, she
finished her grade ten at age 13. She
said "Bhagavan please admit me into the
tenth lesson", I said "Fine, do it". 13
years old.
14 years or so she remained with me. But
she came up to me one day and said
"Bhagavan, I want to go into the world,
study, experience the world". I said
"OK, fine". And she also wanted to talk
with *inaudible* and that kind of thing.
14 years - no academics. And then she
goes out. And then in phases plus 1,
plus 2, finished engineering, then
applies to Berkeley, Berkeley
University.
And they asked her, "What were you doing
for 14 years, without studying?"
She says "I was a oneness monk".
"I don't know what work this is. We'll
admit you straight away into a Ph.D.
course.
And she raced through her course.
*applause from Dubai*
Some people undertook a big job,
finished their MBA and now holds a very
good position now. Some others got
married and have children. This has been
happening all the time. Acharyas have
been leaving, guides have been leaving.
It's not to find fault with it. The time
has come.
When they came here, the whole thing,
was known, was designed to be shut down.
In the beginning you would find in
Satyaloka "To set man totally and
unconditionally free". And look at the
book, Arjuna Ardagh's book, page 189,
which I've often referred to. I've
always said it's going to be dissolved.
Talk to all the old coordinators all
around the world, they'll tell you
Bhagavan had already informed. It's
going to be closed down.
Now how do you close down? Take young
people inside, they get very good
experiences and then they go back to
their lives, and finally, it's
automatically shut down. In Japan, for
example, people go to Zen monasteries,
are Zen monks for sometime and then come
back to the world. Those are the ones
who win the Nobel prize. They have got
very good training, they are quite
sharp, they can do very well in the
external world. And it's time they go
back in the external world.
The whole thing is designed to implode,
to shut down. Because it should not
continue, it can not continue, because
if it continues it controls the
phenomenon. The phenomenon loses power.
It has to go, including myself,
including AmmaBhagavan. We must fade
away. It's not just that the acharyas
fades away, guides fades away. Everybody
has to fade away. And people must emerge
as trainers and become teachers in their
own right. That's what we're aiming at.
Not even oneness teachers, that's only
until 2014. Thereafter, you're a teacher
in your own right. You do the work.
You're worldly people. You know the
world much better than one who is a
monk. You can interpret things better. I
have seen western people, even some
Indians, dutifly expound the teachings,
because of their wordly experience. Even
some of the guides, who are so strong in
staying back, are those who have had
worldly experience, who are well
qualified, who have done great jobs.
For example, I have a guide here who has
been connecting with you. Do you know
what his qualification is? At the age of
24, he was a full fledged chartered
accountant. He took only 15 days to
finish his exam. One day, he said
"Bhagavan, I would like to become a
CE(?)", I said "Go!". 15 days he
prepared his CE(?). At the same time he
finished cost accountancy, at the same
time he finished the law course, at the
same time he became a full fledged
company executive. All four by the age
24, and tremendous experience in the
world. And these are lots like. There
are people have been bank employees,
they've had work life. There's one who
had a divorce, got married and divorced,
and became a monk. So they have got
worldly experience. They are the ones
who are very, very strong. Similarly,
you have worldly experience, you will be
excellent teachers. It must be passed on
to you.
Therefore, my only pain is that I'm
losing time, because this caused such
disturbance. But fortunately, nothing
happened in South America, the whole of
South America, nothing happened in North
America, nothing happened in Japan,
Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia. The
problem was only in Italy and it has got
settled. Now I do not know what's the
banishment in Dubai.
Dubai: No Problem, Bhagavan.
Bhagavan: My only concern now is Dubai,
I think. I think the whole world is now
at peace. *laughter from audience*
It's only you people that have to set
things right. So you are the ones who's
asking me these kind of questions. These
questions have to be moved away now.
It's all over. We're doing spiritual
work, solid spiritual work. We are
meditating, people are getting blown
into states. But here in Dubai, we see,
you're talking about all kinds of things
other than spirituality. *more laughter
from audience*
So the whole world is now back to order.
The thing is, as you disturb people's
faith, the blessing will decline. You
will not become a good blessing giver. I
want blessing givers who can help
people. And how are you going to grow?
What has happened has disturbed peoples'
faith. Not only that, it has produced
confusion. Tremendous confusion it's
creating. They have nothing do with me.
I have nothing to do with them. They
have founded a company for commercial
purposes. It's a commercial venture. It
is meant to make profits. And there
must be some formula for dividing the
profits. This is a spiritual
organization. And I've been telling we
should not make any more money than what
is required. We are spiritual people.
That's a commercial organization which
will be running those courses like any
psychological course. And people will go
there because they call themselves from
Oneness and they say they have
AmmaBhagavan's blessings, when it does
not have. People might mistake that to
be Oneness, while that is quite the
opposite of what Oneness is.
As they've said, there are ideological
differences. What are they? I say 2012.
They don't even think of 2012. They
don't believe in it. They say it won't
happen. Then there's AmmaBhagavan who
brought out the phenomenon. AmmaBhagavan
are fading away. I want to fade away in
2014, they want me to fade away now
itself. *laughter from audience*
Then there's grace. It's taken a back
seat. It's all psychology now. Then
effort. I have also spoken about effort.
What's new about effort? And the
miracles are gone. All things are
removed. There are serious differences.
You might wonder why are enlightened
people quarreling? So, first of all,
assume that they're enlightened for a
moment. I have never, ever said they are
enlightened. I have only said they were
in great enlightened states. There are
so many people in the world who have
great enlightened states. But an
enlightened state does not give you
enlightenment. I have often said
mystical experiences do not a mystic
make. It is my very famous statement.
You can have the grandest enlightened
states. See a movie called Samsara, a
Chinese movie, you will know that. One
man was there in a state for 3 years, 3
months, 3 weeks, 3 days and then he
comes out of the state. A lot of
difficulty. Then you see what happens to
his life. He's worse than a normal human
being. State means nothing. So they were
in great states, I never, ever declared
them to be enlightened. People have
assumed them to be enlightened.
Have you seen enlightened people? Do
you know Buddha and Mahavira are
contemporaries. They lived close by.
They never met. They differed. Their
disciples use to meet and keep arguing
and fighting. Do you think that all
enlightened people have the same view?
Not at all!
Ramana and Sri Aurobindo are
contemporaries. You know Aurobindo
sometimes used to make some contemptuous
statements about Ramana. He wouldn't
agree to Ramana's state and Ramana would
not agree to Sri Aurobindo's state.That
does not mean they are enemies. That
does not mean they have joined hands and
danced together in public, saying
they're all enlightened. *laughter from
audience*
In recent times you had UG Krishnamurti
and Jiddu Krishnamurti. Both are
enlightened, terrible enemies. At a
personal level, excellent relationship,
but then, they would not at all agree.
J. Krishnamurti used to say "do this,
you will grow, you will make it". UG
Krishnamurti says "Nobody can become
enlightened! Forget about it!" They are
completely the opposite.
You also have some strange idea that
enlightened people are very calm,
peaceful, and loving, quiet. No, that is
for the saints. And please understand
I've said, I'm not a saint. Saints may
be very loving, very kind and very
sweet. Now with regards to a person like
me, I'll just respond to some event and
that's all. I won't go back and think
about it.
The Buddha, for example, he used to be
very angry sometimes and used to shout.
It's called the lion's roar. Do you know
what happened to the Buddha? He had a
huge number of monks. Altogether with
him, he had over 10,000 people. So,
there used to be a lot of quarrelsome
fights. He had a terrible time running
it. Once a group was fighting and the
Buddha interfered and said "Calm down"
and gave them some advice. You know what
they told him? They told him, "Get
out!". Buddha was asked to get out.
*laughter from audience*
The Buddha moved away to the forest.
Then the people came to know about it.
And the people said, "No food for the
monks until they bring the Buddha back."
They did not move so easily. And the
kings told the monks "If you don't get
the Buddha back, I'm going to trash
you." *more laughter*
Then they all went to the forest and
fell at his feet and brought him back.
This happened 2500 years ago. There
was another guy there called *inaudible
name*, you must have heard about him.
This fellow used to come and ask him all
the time, "When are you going to make me
your successor? Make me your successor!
" And the Buddha, do you know what
words, I will give you his exact words.
"I will hand over this movement to a
dog, but not to you." And this guy died
before the Buddha. *laughter and some
applause*
These problems have always been there.
Recently I met a sannyasa from southern
India, and he told me how his shishya
(disciple) tried to inject a gas bubble
in him. Somehow he wriggled out of it
and that fellow is in jail now. So,
these things happen. So many times you
must have seen these things happen. This
happens. So, enlightened people does not
mean they'll be sitting together and
dancing together. Not at all like
that.They'll have their own different
opinions. Very, very different opinions.
Let me tell you at a personal level, I
have a very good relationship with all
these people. Very, very good relation.
They in fact came to me along with
Anthony Robbins who brought them. And
they apologized to me and they hugged me
and they kissed me. Samardarshini, of
course being a female, she came the next
day because she had gone to the police
to lodge a case against somebody who was
making use of her Facebook, putting all
kinds of false things there. So she
came.
So I have been with them for over 20
years. They are like my children. How do
you think there will be anger? I have no
anger against anybody.
Many years ago a man came to me to kill
me. He strangled my neck. After some
time I told him, "please remove your
hands." And he gently let go of his
hands. Because he could not actually
crush me. And for 5 years, I helped this
man out financially. For 5 years, a man
who came to kill me. So, I know what is
love and what is compassion. I don't
want to go on talking about myself.
I have the greatest love for them and I
wish them well. *applause*
Don't be playing around with Oneness.
Don't say this is Oneness! You do
something. Whatever you want. Let it be
a totally new program. Otherwise you'll
be confusing people. They'll think "This
is Oneness and that is Oneness, there's
two parts to Oneness?" How could there
be two branches to Oneness? Oneness is
one. We cannot have two branches. It
cannot be divided. It's advaita, non-two
it is.
That is what this whole work is about.
You do your own course. Whatever you do.
Already they are using others teachings,
they're borrowing things from other
teachers, mixing up. Let them do, I have
no objections, but don't bring in
Oneness there. If you use Oneness
teachings, I would say it is video
piracy. *laughter and applauds from
audience*
This processes were founded by me. The
Level 1 course, took me 5 minutes to
format. Just 5 minutes to produce Level
1. Level 2, three minutes to format. My
work it is. And the LIO, it is my
format. Everything, anything! The words
they use, the language they use,
everything is mine. I have trained them.
I taught them English, I taught them
mathematics, I taught them history.
Everything I have taught them. I taught
them the teaching. These are my
teachings.
And how do you push me away and take
away the teachings? Suppose you will
start a company with somebody, he takes
over the company, would you agree to it?
Dubai: No way.
Bhagavan: And declares it to be his
company. It must be your own, it must be
your teachings, it must be your
framework, it must be yours. Why do you
make use of somebody elses? That leads
to confusion among people. And you say
it's got our blessings, while it does
not have. You go on sending messages to
people, "We've got Bhagavan's blessings,
Bhagavan has done this to us". Not at
all, you're not with me. You have never
even met me, these guides, they have
never even met me. They came from
countries, they met in Chennai, they
went to some resort.. why a secret
meeting? They don't even tell me what's
going on. You secretly meet. You are my
staff. If your staff do not report to
you, what would you do, I want to ask?
Someone in Dubai: Dismiss.
Bhagavan: Would you take any action on
them? Would you be blessing them and
forgiving them?
Someone in Dubai: No way!
Bhagavan: Then there's no question then.
Do it for your staff, I will do it for
myself. *laughter*
So you gather up there, you use my money
to stay in resorts, use my money to
enjoy yourselves. It's all my money, it
is. Not that I hold that money, in fact,
I hold no money at all. I'm a virtual
beggar, it's all in their hands. But
still, it is theoretically, it is my
money, it is. And they're having a
merryful time.
And all these people got spoiled only
when they left India. And who spoiled
them? You people spoiled them! *great
noise and laughter from audience*
They got their hands on all kinds of
entertainment, all kinds of comfort for
them, so much money was given to them.
All things, you have spoiled them and
you destroyed my order and now you're
destroying my mission until now.
Dubai audience: Nooooooo Bhagavan!
Nooooooo!
Bhagavan: I gave you my mission. I'm
going to hold all of you responsible.
Dubai audience: Nooooooo! *laughter* We
love you Bhagavan! We are here to help
you out! We are with you Bhagavan!
Bhagavan: They are sannyasas. You must
treat a sannyasa like a sannyasa! Not
spoil them like that. *Bhagavan chuckles
as he says this*
And they're lost everywhere, they came
and they said, "Oh my god, the world is
sooo beautiful! Bhagavan, the world is
sooo beautiful. I can't be present here
anymore. Dubai was heaven on Earth".
*lots of laughter while Bhagavan is
saying this, difficult to hear what
Bhagavan says*
I have lost them. Another one comes and
says "Oh Bhagavan, the world is too
beautiful!" I said "OK." We gave them a
nice reception, we hugged each other,
and granted them and we gave a very
beautiful send out.
Thirdly, another one said, "Oh Bhagavan,
I also discovered the world is too
beautiful!" *Bhagavan starts chuckling*.
I don't blame them. The thing is, they
are young people, the age has come, so
the world is tempting. And you people
are out there showing them "ching, ching
ching" (money sound?) "Come, come,
come!" *more laughter from audience*
I told them, we need people now to
meditate in the temple. So, you have
landed me in a soup. *laughter*
So anyway, I have all the love for them.
If they do come back, I will be taking
them back. But if they don't come back
as monks, then we'll remain friends,
that's all. We'll continue to be
friends. They can not forget me and I
can not forget them. They can not stop
loving me and I can not stop loving
them. That will be at the personal
level.
For example, you must know that I and my
son, we have an extraordinary beautiful
relationship. If you have doubts, next
time we're on Skype, we'll both of us
will come together.. *laughter from
audience, can't hear what Bhagavan says*
At a personal level, all things are
absolutely excellent. All that they want
is, they want AmmaBhagavan to go away.
So finally when one of the guides asked
them, "Would you come back if Amma and
Bhagavan leave the scene?". They said
"We'll definitely come back". So all
that they want is, they feel "Old
people, pack up your bag and baggage,
hand over everything! We will run the
show. We know better. And this way the
work will move much faster, we can't
wait any longer. And we want all the
power and the freedom to run the show
the way we want to run the show." And my
question is, am I that old?
Dubai audience: NOOOOOOOOOO!!
Bhagavan: So I'm telling you, afterwards
you can *inaudible* shutting the whole
thing down. So they're very eager to
take over before that. So how can I
allow that? You need a lot of experience
to run this, it is not so easy. I
haven't done my Level 3 yet. I have to
push you people. After 2012, I'm
prepared to say good bye. After 2014,
I'm shutting it all down.
I have made a commitment to mankind. All
over the world, I have promised people
higher states of consciousness in the
year 2012. So I must be in command, I
must do it. How could I hand over it
now? So all that they want is "You go
away from there. No problems, we will
take over. We want the freedom". What's
the freedom? The freedom that you Dubai
people have taught them.
Dubai: No, no, no! Bhagavan, we are with
you!
Bhagavan: So how could I allow that? So
I think I have answered the questions.
*Smiles and chuckle from Bhagavan and
laughter from audience*
Dubai: Bhagavan, you've answered all the
other remaining questions, Bhagavan.
Dubai audience: Bhagavan, we are with
you! We love you Bhagvan!
Bhagavan: My only concern is, I do not
want to miss out this last chance for
mankind. I feel, I know it, if we miss
out, maybe after 50 years or 75 years,
at best a 100 years, the story is over
for the planet. So this is the last
chance for man. We have to shift in our
consciousness. We can't go on living
like this. We will destroy the planet
and destroy ourselves. So, a little bit
of effort, if you can put together, we
would help mankind get there and you
will have the satisfaction for the rest
of your life, that you helped bring
about this great transformation to
humanity.
And not only that, don't think that you
die or vanish after death, life
continues forever and forever. I'm going
to show you when you come to India,
through special processes, that life
never ends. And you will continue to
grow in other realms and you'll have
this satisfaction that while you were on
Bhur loka, on this planet, you made such
a wonderful contribution for the good of
mankind.
So let's get going with spirituality.
That's more important. We should soon
forget this thing. We are happy, they
are happy, you're happy, everybody's
happy. Let's get going with our work
now.
So what's the next thing?
Dubai audience: Bhagavan, one last
request from all of us here in Dubai.
The recession has got hold of us all
over again and there are new problems
coming up. We want your blessings and
your protection to take us through this,
in 2010 also, with the recession that
we're expecting. We want your blessings
and your protection. All of us are
requesting that, Bhagavan.
Bhagavan: All of you will have all my
blessings. I'll be with you. The coming
two years could be difficult in many,
many ways. I've seen businesses could
become difficult, jobs could become
difficult, there could be various other
problems. I will see you through.
Dubai audience applauds: Thank you
Bhagavan! Thank you! Thank you!
Bhagavan: I know you are in Dubai. Dubai
can be badly affected. I'll be with you
and I'll help you out. Don't worry.
Dubai audience applauds again: Thank you
Bhagavan!
Bhagavan: Now shall we move on to
prayer?
Dubai: Yes, Bhagavan!
Bhagavan: So pray the way you have been
taught to pray. So do it exactly as I've
taught you and you'll get very, very
good results. So next time we'll be
meeting, let's go deeper into
spirituality. Let this be the last time
we are talking about this kind of
subject. Let it be closed.
Dubai: Yes, Bhagavan. Thank you
Bhagavan.
Little girl in Dubai who has been trying
to get Bhagavan's attention for a while:
I love you AmmaBhagavan!
Bhagavan says affectionately: Yes, yes,
I love you too! *laughter from audience*
Little girl: Thank you AmmaBhagavan.
Dubai: Bhagavan, how is Amma?
Bhagavan: She's very, very fine. She was
very, very sad, but after the last week
she has recovered. It was very painful
to her. But she has now recovered.
Dubai: Convey our love to Amma! We all
love her, Bhagavan!
Bhagavan: I'll communicate to her, yes.
I'll communicate to her.
Dubai: Thank you Bhagavan!
*Silent prayer and meditation*
Bhagavan: Love you all!
Dubai: Love you Bhagavan! We love you so
much Bhagavan! Thank you Bhagavan!
Bhagavan: Love you all.
*Dubai audience ends the skype call with
singing the moola mantra*
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